Schneier on Security

PeaceHead • December 6, 2018 7:25 AM

In addition to “chatbots”, I’m concerned about the (already-present) usage of android drones, that is, remote-controlled drones that look and act like real people. I believe that they already exist and that I’ve even been around a few. They are just walking-talking interfaces disguised as people. But take note if the “person” (not a person) has zero response to extreme temperatures, wind, dust, and highly unhygienic circumstances. They might also show odd characteristics in terms of bodily mannerisms or lacktherof. They also might show almost zero fatigue over long periods of time that would make any ordinary person fatigued. The only good uses of such drone androids are for bomb squads and similar.

PeaceHead • December 7, 2018 10:58 AM

@Impossibly Stupid: My claims were substantiated “as-is”. Anything more precise than that and I’d be served an NDA or abducted into a federal prison for disclosing state secrets. What I stated is sufficient. Just because you are not familiar with what I describe doesn’t make it false nor imaginary nor a manifestation of mental illness.

1) efforts to create a wide variety of drones exist
2) efforts to create a wide variety of androids and anthropomorphic robots exist
3) efforts of both are already very successful
4) remote-control technologies exist
5) defense and spycraft organizations have persistent interests and actual long-term histories in identity faking and camouflaging
6) current state-of-the-art in realistic prosthetics and human-like plastics/polymers is quite high
7) a remote-controlled android drone is NOT a robot, it’s an avatar
8) non-realistic yet partially anthropomorphic android telecommunications robot interfaces already exist
9) you are NOT me, and you have NOT experienced what I have experienced; you are NOT an authority on my actual experiences; you have zero credibility about me, my experiences, my perception and my cognition
10) you demonstrate logical fallacies in your response to me
11) these 16 points reinforce my initial point
12) nobody on this site is obligated to “prove” allegations; we all regularly make baseless or slightly-baseless claims or claims which cannot be evaluated or claims which should not be evaluated; even the site author occasionally strays into pure speculation and this is not frowned upon entirely.
13) this nation’s military and intelligence and media and government organizations have a long proven history of fraud use as well as Black Operations and wide varieties of spycraft and DoD technologies; such organizations routinely try to accomplish new innovations not yet utilised by others; other nations are similar.
14) it’s already published and known and documented that the military uses remoted-controlled unmanned aquatic crafts for surveillance and warfare; this is not so different from using an android drone remotely; both are probes.
15) Attacks upon a person’s alleged sanity due to mere disagreement are a known and documented historical militant hostile technique. I’ve done several years of study on that and related topics via historical records of things such as project/operations MKSEARCH, MKNAOMI, MKDELTA, MKULTRA, BLUEBIRD, ARTICHOKE, CHATTER, NORTHWOODS, PAPERCLIP. There are several others. All have in common attacks against innocent people in service of extremist ideologies otherwise repugnant to the masses.
16) Also, there is a common thread of technological misdirection.

Thusly, my original claims still stand.
There’s a shorthand for this type of exchange: “stay in your lane”.

PeaceHead • December 8, 2018 3:30 PM

The burden of proof rests firmly upon the person self-described as “Impossibly Stupid”, not on me nor my claims. I already substantiated my claims well enough and provided sound reasoning for the parts which can’t be safely substantiated. The sole person attempting to intimidate and ridicule me was unable to rebutt any of my 16 bullet points.

I will not be interacting with that person. It’s a waste of intellect and emotion and words upon someone who already decided that they don’t believe in whatever they aren’t already familiar with. The person completely ignored the additional and valid info I provided just to continue to argue for no good reason.

For anybody else with some normal technological curiosity related to the cryptological, I can’t point the way entirely, but some additional insights exist within your own continued studies related to these:

1) human gesture recording and playback
2) human biometric mimicry
3) virtual reality interfaces
4) animatronics (already used in movie special effects)
5) broadband data control systems
6) remote automation
7) unconventional drones
8) realistic prosthetics (as I mentioned before)
9) motorized prosthetics
10) mobile surveillance aparatus
11) wearable surveillance aparatus
12) hybrid material electronics (circuitry that is wearable, bendable/flexible, and made of historically atypical substances and mixtures)
13) the most realistic android chassis’s
14) I’m NOT referring to a robot; I’m referring to a mobile anthropomorphic probe device or literally a cybernetically-enhanced cadaver. Either one is remotely controlled via broadcast technology and electrical signals. The interface of the human control is designed to transduce their gestures and bodily motions into recorded signals which are then sent to the probe to re-enact them distantly.

15) the foundation technologies are already there, even the manipulation of dead or living human or animal muscle tissue via electrical stimulation. It doesn’t have to be recreated from scratch. The technique and knowledge goes all the way back to the 1600s. I looked it up.

A lot of the most disturbing stuff was discovered and developed from the 1920s into the 1990s. That’s a very long time of focussed study, no matter how disturbing or covert or forgotten.

Take into account the recent breakthroughs with materials sciences related to DNA and the rapid mapping of DNA genomes and phenotypes. Take into account recent published breakthroughs into actual cybernetics and brain-controlled prosthetics whether invasively implanted or not. The science is there to those who follow it or create it or use it.

Anyhow, the point of me talking about this stuff is to get it “on the map”.
If nobody ever acknowledges any new technologies, they stay entirely hidden of course, but that benefits none of us who would rather be aware of the changes and to cope with them.

I don’t always go looking for wierd new stuff. Quite often it just shows up and then I notice it after the fact. If people are attempting some prototypes, it could be that they are testing them in the wild to see if they can be detected before being used in actual espionage or battles or crimes or rescues or whatnot.

Again, if you meet a “person” who is oblivious to extremes of cold, light, wind, heat, and contagious sickness… a “person” who never complains nor winces…. a “person” who hardly blinks… a “person” who mostly just follows others around and stares at the interiors and exteriors of buildings… a “person” who simply goes idle regularly for several contiguous weeks rather than actually sleeping contiguous hours of rest per evening… a “person” who spends most of their time asking questions probing for answers and hardly describing anything personal nor relevant… MAYBE THAT IS NOT A PERSON.

It could be a remote-controlled cadaver with cameras and mics implanted or something slightly more synthetic.

And if that disgusts you, then you won’t get very far trying to read about any of the partially declassified projects/operations I referenced in my previous post. Terrible things have been done to involuntary people and animals and unfortunately it still continues. Both NAZI’s and Americans were the perpetraitors and the results went directly towards weaponizing biology to create covert surveillance and demolition “tools”. You can choose to look the other way or blame the victims and the historians, but several decades of irrefable evidence already exist in several forms spanning several continents.

People who only want to know about one type of “secrecy”/crypto to the detriment of some other more prominent type of “secrecy”/crypto don’t make any sense to me. The cryptological realms aren’t limited according to the preferences of the squeamish or the phobias of those who are too afraid to even complain about the injustices done to the prototypes.

Experimental “medicine” and experimental neurobiology and experimental surveillance may indeed tend to be covert or at least not well understood.

So if somebody shows up to deliver some new angle of info on those topics are you really going to attempt to brow beat them simply because you don’t know what they know?

OK, enough of that.
Again, consider how many ideological civil wars we are currently engaged in. There are lots of them. I’m trying to bring some extra data to those who want to know, not to deliver arguments and wasted time to those who don’t want to know.

I didn’t ask to know about most of the wierder, dangerous, disgusting, bizarre stuff. I was exposed to some of it according to somebody else’s situations. My reaction is to first study, then acknowledge, then study again, then finally act. I don’t start out making judgments about what I’m not qualified to comprehend during the entire history of my existence. Along the way, for several years, I’ve been like this, simply learning. What doesn’t traumatize me entirely gives me further concern and insight and a foothold into an approach to potential countermeasures for a few things that conveniently for some don’t even cross anyone’s minds.

May All The Covert Suffering Be Permanently Ended One Day Soon